Unconventional Conventions

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Hal Johnson: [00:00:01] You are listening to the Magic of Kanab Podcast, part of the Destination Marketing Podcast Network. Welcome to another episode of the Magic of Kanab. I’m your host Hal. Today, we’re talking about hosting and attending conventions in Kanab. So, I’m here today with Torrey Cluett. And he’s the director of Convention Services at the Kanab Center. We’ll talk with him first a little bit later. In fact, right after we’ll talk with Camille Taylor and she’s the executive director at Kane County Office of Tourism. We’re going to speak with her about the best spots to visit Kanab when you’re in town for a convention. Torrey thanks for being here today. Really appreciate it. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:00:38] My pleasure. Thanks for having me. 

Hal Johnson: [00:00:40] You bet of course. So, start off by telling a little bit about you Torrey. Give us some background, how you came to be here. What do you experience before? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:00:46] A little bit like more of an accident than anything. I grew up on the east coast and then came out to the west coast through the military, stayed out there for almost 25, 30 years. When my wife and I started dating her dad had actually built a house out here in Kanab. As soon as I saw what was everything that was presented out here, I knew we had to move out here. So it took us about a good seven years to finally make the move to get out here and now we’ve been out here permanently for the last year. 

Hal Johnson: [00:01:15] Wow. You like it. Everything’s going good?

Torrey Cluett: [00:01:17] Yeah. I actually grew up in a very small town similar to this. Very vacation center oriented, we had all the big influx during the summer and then everybody disappears for the winter. So I’m very familiar with the type of the town and the vacation area that we have. 

Hal Johnson: [00:01:33] So it had to be a little bit of an adjustment going from California metro. I’ll bet it was a little bit of a rough month or two transition. Right? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:01:41] Well we actually, I’m more of a rural guy anyway. Back when I was growing up, all my friends had before they had horses and cows and cattle and I couldn’t wait to get out of that environment. I spent all my time through major metropolitan cities, through the military and law enforcement and then have you told me 30 years later I’d own a ranch and horses and cows and cattle, I would have laughed at you. So that’s my lifestyle now. I actually love it. I’m definitely acclimated to the rural lifestyle. 

Hal Johnson: [00:02:11] You’ve come full circle. I love it. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:02:12] Absolutely. 

Hal Johnson: [00:02:13] Great. Well appreciate that. So tell me a little bit about the Kanab Center, what it is and the history behind. Just kind of dive into that. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:02:22] Sure. So the Kanab Center was actually built and opened in 2019 during the height of the pandemic. We never really had a full operational year here. So this is obviously way before my time. When it did open they did have quite a few bookings for conventions, expos, but during the pandemic obviously everything got canceled. So we’re just now getting on the other side of that where we’re starting to get all of our major bookings again. 

Hal Johnson: [00:02:49] Good, good, good. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:02:50] So we’ve had during that time between 2019 and now, we’ve had a couple of different coordinators and in that realm, I’ve always kind of taken it upon myself to do the best job I know how in anything that I’m doing and I’ve always kind of added the production value for pretty much anything even in law enforcement. I used to teach there for kids. During that, I would take my police dog to the classes. Just kind of enhancing things as much as best as I can. We would do graduations at like LegoLand. Just enhancing the production value pretty much everything we were doing. 

Hal Johnson: [00:03:25] Love it. So you’re a natural Emcee and also the entertainment committee wherever you go. I love it. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:03:30] So that kind of naturally transitioned into what I’m doing out here and kind of creating an environment where people can come and have the best experience possible with our facility here and our town and then leave wanting more. 

Hal Johnson: [00:03:46] Got you. That’s perfect. So just so I understand 2019 during COVID or 2020 were we under construction was the Kanab Center completed? And just obviously a lot of conventions couldn’t come because of the circumstances, where were we at? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:04:00] Yeah, right around the end of 2019 is when they opened the actual building, but they already had bookings for that environment pre before they were even open. 

Hal Johnson: [00:04:13] Understood. Alright. So I know that people can reserve and rent different venues. What sets the Kanab Center apart in your mind? What makes the destination that would be, what should come to? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:04:25] Well, it’s definitely an interesting environment because we do not have a transportation hub, we don’t have an airport, we don’t have the train station. So getting here, you do have to travel to one of the major hubs either you get to yourself to Saint George, flying to Vegas, renting cars. So we know that people that are coming here to our location actually have transportation of some sort. That actually provides us with an option to be able to give either attendees or convention coordinators the ability to kind of create an environment where people can get out of our box. Any convention you’re going to go to is held in the box. We want you to think outside the box. We want you to get outside and there’s actually no box necessary. 

We kind of have an environment here where we can create the specific convention for someone where they get to come sit, do their classes, provide the information, but then also do provide breakouts to all the local entities that we have here. We’re in driving range of quite a few between state parks, BLM, national parks, slot canyons, you name it. So being able to create something where people can get outside, get some fresh air, see what this amazing area has to offer. 

Hal Johnson: [00:05:41] Exactly, yes. Torrey, I couldn’t agree more. You’re exactly right. I think we’re equidistant between three national parks, Lake Powell, several state parks. So many spectacular sights and vistas and hikes and trails and things to visit. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:05:52] Yeah, absolutely. Then our facility in and of itself is actually surrounded by some of the vermillion cliffs. So even transitioning from one ballroom to the next to go for your different classes during the convention, you’re actually able to step outside and see these cliffs just walking into our pavilion area. 

Hal Johnson: [00:06:11] Well, so you mentioned out of the box. So yeah, you’re not just stuck in one big monolithic building all day. You’re moving from area to area and part of that’s a breezeway walkway where you can go outside and see and get some fresh air, right? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:06:24] Yeah. So, we are right down in the hub of the downtown Kanab area. So everything’s walking distance from here, hotels, restaurants, businesses, shops. So we really want people to experience not just coming here for their convention, but also getting out of the box and going and enjoying what we’ve created here. 

Hal Johnson: [00:06:40] Love it. And everything is so accessible and so close. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:06:42] Absolutely. 

Hal Johnson: [00:06:42] Well, I’d imagine Torrey, I’m thinking here for a minute that you’ve had a few interesting meetings, conventions gatherings here. Right? Tell us about a couple that stick out to you. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:06:53] Well, during this summer we had a production company call us up and asked us about Dwarfanators Wrestling and of course that picked my interest because I’d never heard of it. So it was actually a midget wrestling professional wrestling company that called us up and we’re coming through from Cedar City and they were looking for a venue to host one of their events on their way to Vegas. Of course, we were about as accommodating as we could come. We created an environment that they actually took pictures of what we created here for them. For our first event with very minimal advertising, we ended up having almost 500 people in here. Our max capacities in the 860 range. So they’ve already rebooked for this for 2023, 2024. So my goal is to get us up to max occupancy. 

Hal Johnson: [00:07:38] That’s so cool. What was the initial reaction? I bet you got a little bit of a mixed reaction. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:07:45] For that particular production, there was some question as to, because we are a government-run facility, we’re a county-owned. So there was some question as to who was paying for the event. There was initial reaction was, oh, I can’t believe the county would pay for something like that, which we didn’t pay one dime for anything. They paid us to book their event here. So, which is more along the lines of what we’re really trying to gather and gain here is production value companies coming here to be able to host their events. 

Hal Johnson: [00:08:13] Tell me if I’m wrong on this, I would imagine that as a government-owned facility, as long as they meet conditions of community standards, I guess you’d say, we can’t really say no yes, you can’t pick and choose winners and losers. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:08:29] Correct. And that’s actually my goal is to basically offer our services pretty much anybody under the sun that wants to come here. However, they do have to meet those guidelines of just being open to the public and they may have different point of views as long as there’s money is green. 

Hal Johnson: [00:08:47] Oh yeah. So, what can we accommodate? Are there things that we really can’t do? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:08:55] We haven’t had anything that we’ve had to exclude yet. We’ve had quite a few conventions that have kind of approached our occupancy rates. So, in the 860 range, that’s a theater-style seating for our main ballrooms. So, we’re in the wheelhouse of anywhere between 500 and 800 to be able to host different types of conventions here. 

Hal Johnson: [00:09:16] Which I’d imagine would accommodate just about everybody that would like to consider it. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:09:21] Yes, we’ve had a couple where a couple of the entities do two or three conventions a year and they’ll host one where they’ve got 3000 to 5000 people that attend and they’ll do that in their fall session and then they’ll use us as their spring session where they have reduced occupancy between 300 and 500 people. 

Hal Johnson: [00:09:38] Got you. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:09:39] So we do have a facility here. Our facility does offer a full kitchen. Right now we’re in the process of adding more items to that to make it a fully operational kitchen where we’re fully in-house. Right now, it’s a catering kitchen where we can have caterers come in and they’ll bring in pre-prepped food and then they can warm it and heat it all that stuff in here. But our goal in the next 3-5 years, is that a fully operational kitchen where we keep everything in house. 

Hal Johnson: [00:10:04] Got you. That’s wonderful. Well, from my perspective, I mean it is a beautiful facility, it’s inside-outside. It’s so welcoming and not just a standard box like you’re describing. Not a penitentiary or school-looking building, it’s beautiful and the facilities inside are beautiful, it’s light and airy. But I know you also spent time getting the audio-visual systems really top-notch. So, tell me a little bit about that. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:10:28] Sure, so we offer in our main ballrooms, we offer three different projection value projectors on the ballroom’s walls with screens. Each one of those projectors can work autonomously or they can work all three in conjunction. So we have the ability to basically cut three of the ballrooms into separate rooms for breakouts or we can keep it as one main ballroom when you have a keynote speaker. During that audio-visual transition we just did an upgrade probably about six months ago and we added the ability for any participants that are presenting to be able to put their presentation up on the screen at the same time. If you have multiple presenters, if you have a Zoom meeting, if you have something that affects people can even get on their phone and get up on the screen and throw their presentation wirelessly. 

Hal Johnson: [00:11:12] Wow, that doesn’t surprise me, it’s beautiful, you can tell it’s incredibly set up. When you said the three screens, does that mean on three separate walls or you can you position those in different locations? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:11:22] They’re permanent. However, we are in the process of putting the fourth projector in which will give us a long throw, which means that we can do all three ballrooms together, but given it is a very long-haul style environment. So in addition to that, my big thing was I walked into the ballroom and the walls are gray, the floor is gray. I need some color. So over the last year, I’ve really kind of put it to us to be able to try to accommodate and procure as many options for people to be able to change things up for us for their convention. We’ve added some wall wash lighting, we’ve added some DJ lighting. As a matter of fact, one of our locations here, we don’t have the ability to do entertainment rentals. And matter of fact, I’m not even aware of a DJ that’s in town. 

So, I had to get creative on how do we host a wedding reception without a DJ. How do we do a dance-style environment without somebody running the show? 

Hal Johnson: [00:12:18] Sounds like you probably wear multiple hats here. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:12:20] Absolutely. 

Hal Johnson: [00:12:21] DJ, singer, wedding singer. All of the above. Right? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:12:24] One of my first official duties when I got here, we actually had a wedding that was already booked prior to me being here. Two days before the event, the bride called me up bawling and the efficient that she had said, I had gotten COVID. So I did everything in my power. I called about 90 different people trying to find someone who could officiate her wedding and lo behold, nobody was available. So I went and got ordained and offered that as an option. And within the first three weeks of me being here, I officiated my first wedding. 

Hal Johnson: [00:12:58] Wow. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:12:50] So it was actually a blast. I had fun with it. I really enjoyed the couple and them trusting me to be able to do something like that. 

Hal Johnson: [00:13:05] Goodness. That sounds like you are the right man for the job. And on that note, as I’m sitting here listening to you, I can hear your enthusiasm for this. I think it’s a good fit, is it not? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:13:15] I’m loving what I’m doing. Like I said, it’s right up my alley. I’ve always kind of done the how can we enhance the production value of anything that we’re doing? So my wife kind of hammers me on some of that just because of the fact that I’m always trying to go bigger and better and she’s my cooler so she’s able to put the hand on the knee and kind of slow me down a little bit and so I’m always going after the next thing. 

Hal Johnson: [00:13:39] I would imagine what the county doesn’t realize or maybe they do is there’s no additional security expenses because you can take them down 30 years law enforcement military. There’s not going to be any shenanigans going around here. Right? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:13:51] Nope, not at all. But now those days are long behind me, but as far as being able to look out for what this environment and security features of what we do here, we really take that seriously. 

Hal Johnson: [00:14:04] Sure. Of course. That’s wonderful. What am I missing? Torrey, anything else that we haven’t discussed yet that you’d like to let our listeners know about related to the Kanab Center or booking? How do they book? Is it online? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:14:04] Yeah. So we’re actually in the middle of a media revamp campaign. Logos, websites, room names, everything under the sun, we really want to be able to have something that’s a little bit more marketable where we can create swag keychains, T-shirts, you name it. Right now, what we have right now was enough to get us to through where we’re at, but at the same time to take it to the next level. We really needed to increase what we’re doing. I’ve actually taken on a sales position with us to be able to go out and kind of procure and offer up our facility to different entities. So we’re really focusing on doing a lot more performances. Trying to create a matter of fact, we just got a booking for a dance competition which they’ve never even been off the East Coast. It’s an East Coast company that wanted to venture out and we’re going to be their first time doing a three-day dance competition in Kanab. 

Hal Johnson: [00:15:08] Are you going to also choreograph that? 

Torrey Cluett: [00:15:11] I would not be doing any toe touching. My cheerleading days are over. 

Hal Johnson: [00:15:17] Okay, well, awesome. So, it sounds like they can book functionally and effectively now. But you’re looking to do tremendous upgrades and branding and options for people from a marketing standpoint, let’s say. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:15:30] Correct. So, our website is active. We actually ask anybody that wants to contact us in reference to a booking or trying to see if their date’s available. If you go on our website which is www.kanabcenter.com. That will have a key link up in the very top right corner says Book Your Event and it will have a pre-populated form that you fill out along with dates, what your needs are how many attendees you’ll have and any type of audio-visual needs. And then we’ll get back to you within probably about 48 hours to be able to give you a quote, hopefully, sign a contract and get you booked. 

Hal Johnson: [00:16:03] So www.kanabcenter.com. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:16:05] Correct. 

Hal Johnson: [00:16:06] Alright, well, my friend, it’s been an absolute pleasure having here today and talking with you. 

Torrey Cluett: [00:16:10] Thanks for having me. 

Hal Johnson: [00:16:11] You bet. Okay. And now we’re going to transition over to Camille Taylor. She is the executive director of the Office of Tourism here in Kane County. We’re going to talk a little bit on a different slant or different angle regarding the Kanab Center and its potentials and possibilities. Camille, thanks for being here. Thanks for coming in today. 

Camille Taylor: [00:16:28] You bet. I’m super excited. 

Hal Johnson: [00:16:29] Me too. I appreciate it. Tell me what you love about the Kanab Center. 

Camille Taylor: [00:16:34] So the thing that I think is the coolest is this used to be a school. It’s actually been a few things but it was a high school, then it was a middle school and I actually went to middle school here. This room that we are recording in right now was actually the principal’s office. So I have a little aversion to this room. I spent some time in the principal’s office but actually, I just have the memories, the feels when I come in this building. It’s like my locker used to be down this hallway to the left and so immediately when I come in this building, it just feels familiar. 

So I love that they took a building that we have this community connection to and turned it into now a Kanab Center so that we can host all these conventions and conferences and also so many community events that are important for our community. 

Hal Johnson: [00:17:20] Love it. No, I’m right there with you. I finished high school in this building. Know right where my locker was and I think I spent a little less time in the principal’s office than you did. 

Camille Taylor: [00:17:28] Of course the golden child, Hal. 

Hal Johnson: [00:17:29] Shocker. That’s really interesting. So well, so from your take, from your perspective the Kanab Center, has it been what everything the county wanted when they put it together? Is it more than what they anticipated? Just may be a silly question. But how would you respond to that? 

Camille Taylor: [00:17:48] No, I think, we certainly had high hopes for what the facility would do for the community and also for tourism to put heads and beds in the off-season. But like Torrey mentioned, we opened up and then the pandemic hit and so a lot of the conferences and conventions that were booked got canceled. But the thing that ended up being really cool that I thought was so well timed with this facility is it was the only facility that you could have events during the pandemic. All of the local churches were shut down, the schools were shut down. So people who had important life events or even funerals, they were able to book the Kanab Center and we have a big space in the ballroom so you could socially distance and we use the ballroom for smaller crowds than we normally would, but we were able to host all sorts of really important events for the community. 

I think it was beautifully timed even though in some ways we were like, oh no, we just opened, and now the pandemic. But it’s being used more diversely than I ever thought to. Torrey had mentioned the Dwarfanator event, which I was shocked that’s even legal in this day and age, but it ended up being really cool and Torrey has added so much production value and I just have to brag. Torrey is amazing. He’s a rock star at this facility. Always sees opportunity to enhance the event. So I came to the Dwarfanator event just like not really knowing what to expect. He had built a catwalk so that they walked in on the catwalk, there was fog machines, there was lights, the ring was in the center of the ballroom, you know they had all these colorful lights around. It just really was amazing. You wouldn’t think that that would be a convention ballroom, but he converted it to make it seem really theatrical and just a really cool event. 

Hal Johnson: [00:19:36] That is really cool when you said production value and Torrey bringing it, I thought maybe he impromptu ripped off his shirt and got in the ring. 

Camille Taylor: [00:19:42] You never know with Torrey like he’s a Swiss Army Knife, he’s a little bit of everything, so he’s not afraid, he’s fearless. He just jumps right in where he’s needed and makes it a wonderful experience for those that book the facility. 

Hal Johnson: [00:19:54] Love it. Love it. Well, so Torrey and I spoke about local attractions as far as just like within walking distance of the convention center. Tell me maybe a little bit about some of the places to eat specifically, things to sit to see. 

Camille Taylor: [00:20:10] Yeah, there’s the thing that I think is so cool, I’ve been to a lot of conferences and conventions and when they’re in the city where a lot of the people who are attending actually live, you don’t have the connectivity that you have when you go to a convention or conference when it’s remote. I love when you go to destination conferences. So say, the tourism conference coming up next month is in Vernal and I love that because so few people who actually attend live in Vernal. So we have a lot more networking opportunities and after the classes or the speakers that we attend, we get to hang out a lot and that’s where a lot of actually your most important business is accomplished is between those kinds of activities or educational experiences. 

                                 I think that’s part of the value of coming to Kanab is a destination conference facility and you’re really here and it’s so much like there’s a lot of team building that you do, that networking is really important. So, but to your question, the places to eat, we are so lucky even though we’re a small town of only about 5000 people, we have world-class restaurants here. So namely Sago received the top award and fine dining for the State of Utah in 2018. Such a little surprise right here in our town. It’s a small plate-sharing style restaurant, a little bit of Asian New American cuisine. It’s some of the best food you’ll ever put in your mouth. 

Hal Johnson: [00:21:34] So they were in competition with the big boys, right? The bigger, more metro areas? 

Camille Taylor: [00:21:38] the whole state of Utah state, the whole state. I was actually able to go to Salt Lake and cheer them on and support them and it was just really cool to see that kind of a dining experience we had in Kanab in Kane County. Then additionally we’ve got Rocking V Café kind of your eclectic traditional dishes. and then Vermillion 45 which is like a French country table, Wild Time is your traditional dishes with a little bit of Cajun influence. Then two of the local favorites Houston’s Restaurant and then Escobar’s also great dining options. But there’s many more than that. So basically you’ll run out of days with the restaurants you want to go to and so you’ll have to extend your stay from the conference just so you can eat all the great restaurants here in Kanab. 

Hal Johnson: [00:22:26] That’s a terrible problem to have. 

Camille Taylor: [00:22:28] That is a terrible problem. Right? 

Hal Johnson: [00:22:31] I love it. So, and let’s not forget Big Al’s Burgers. Right? 

Camille Taylor: [00:22:33] Big Al’s Burgers. Okay, so yes, that’s a guilty pleasure for me. So when I’ve been traveling abroad, it’s really weird. It’s like the American in me comes out and I want a burger. So the first place I go to is Big Al’s and I get their buffalo burger and it’s just like biting into a piece of home. It’s so delicious. 

Hal Johnson: [00:22:53] I love it. I love it. So Camille tell me if people here for a convention and let’s say it’s maybe a relatively short stay, which I’d imagine most mostly or a day or two or three, what are some things that they can do within that couple of days? What would be maybe some good recommendations?

Camille Taylor: [00:23:09] So as Torrey said, we’re right in the heart of downtown Kanab so many things are within walking distance. A couple of things that are unique for Kanab’s history is the little Hollywood movie history. Over 200 western movies and TV series were filmed in this area. So literally right across the street is the Parry Lodge Hotel where all the actors and film production crews would stay back in the day. There’s some really cool plaques that you can read on the different actors that came to the area. We call it The Little Hollywood Walk of Fame. In Parry’s you just step inside their lobby and you see the photographs of all the actors that stayed there and then above the room doors is actually the name of the actors that stayed in that room. So there’s the John Wayne room, Ronald Reagan room, Frank Sinatra room. It’s just really cool to see that Hollywood came here and did so much for the small town. 

Then additionally we have the largest no-kill animal sanctuary in North America. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. And they have a visitor center just down the street from here where you can actually sign up for a tour of the sanctuary. They’ll pick you up and take you up to Canyon and you get to see the different animal areas, pedagogue, pet a cat. and just get the feels of what they do with their animal rescue effort. 

Hal Johnson: [00:24:23] That’s great. That’s great. So, Camille, I have another question for you and it’s maybe in a couple of parts. I want to ask you about what you see for the future of the Kanab Center may be short term. But before we go there, you mentioned the community involvement, the ability to involve community members when so many facilities were shut down including churches and other things. Is that still accessible or way to the point where the community can access it even though the churches and other things schools are open? 

Camille Taylor: [00:24:49] Absolutely. We’ve been doing probably, I don’t know what the percentages Torrey’s sitting here next to me, but we do way more community events stuff and we actually do with conventions. It has been loved by the community and we’re actually expanding the opportunities to make it more community-friendly. We have a CIB Loan to remodel the gym area and we call that building B. And so building B will actually be able to expand the numbers that they can accommodate and give the community more breakout space to use as well. 

Hal Johnson: [00:25:22] That’s awesome. So now will that expand the 860 limit that Torrey talked about or just be a different section?

Camille Taylor: [00:25:28] Yeah, a different section. That will still be kind of our threshold. But it will give us expo space, it’ll give us more breakouts for conferences and conventions. That’s one of the things that I think we’ve realized is there is a big need for that breakout space. So we are expanding that opportunity so we can accommodate more conventions. 

Hal Johnson: [00:25:44] Good. And finally, just give me a word about lodging. Are there good lodging options here in town? 

Camille Taylor: [00:25:50] There are amazing lodging options. So many hotels are right here close to the Kanab Center. You could actually in a conference run to your hotel room, you can go downtown and get your lunch. There’s really great brand properties really close but there’s also a lot of boutique lodging options within the town, tiny homes, cabins, I’ve even seen a couple of teepees. You can really have a unique stay while attending a conference and make it a unique experience. 

Hal Johnson: [00:26:19] No shortage of lodging. I mean there’s a lot of facilities, a lot of rooms available. 

Camille Taylor: [00:26:23] A lot of rooms available but still if your conference or convention is in the busy season May through October you’ll definitely want to book early and make sure that you get what you’re looking for. 

Hal Johnson: [00:26:33] Awesome. Good to know. Okay, Camille, am I missing anything? Anything final thoughts or words that you’d like to convey? 

Camille Taylor: [00:26:39] So I mentioned a couple of things you can experience that are unique to Kanab but also really close to this Kanab Center, there’s so many hikes that are nearby. We have this beautiful red rock room that cradles our town and there are several hiking trails that are just really close to the Kanab Center that you can go on an afternoon hike before dinner or after dinner. Then there’s also like an e-bike rental company down the street that you can get on those e-bikes and cruise around. You can even right down to our reservoir and enjoy the beautiful setting down there with a paved path all the way around it. 

Hal Johnson: [00:27:10] Awesome. I think there’s a saying I’ve heard locally in Kanab, you’re five minutes from everywhere. 

Camille Taylor: [00:27:15] That’s about it. I think the farthest I ever drive away in town is seven minutes. So, I’ll always just overestimate and say I’ll be there in seven minutes. 

Hal Johnson: [00:27:24] Yes, I love it. Well, Camille, I can’t thank you enough for coming in along with Torrey earlier. It’s been wonderful to visit with you. 

Camille Taylor: [00:27:30] Thank you. It’s been fun. 

Hal Johnson: [00:27:32] Yeah, we’ll have to have you back. 

Camille Taylor: [00:27:34] Definitely. 

Hal Johnson: [00:27:35] We’d like to thank our listeners for tuning in today. This has been a fun one for me. So please remember to like and subscribe. And of course, when we publish these, there’s links to the different things we’re talking about. Feel free to check those out and see all the wonderful things we have here in the community of Kanab Utah and Kane County. This has been another episode of the Magic of Kanab Podcast, part of the Destination Marketing Podcast Network hosted by Hal Johnson and produced by Relic. 

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